Jared Taylor's & Stefan Molyneux's Dishonest Conversation About Race

INTRODUCTION

Racists are becoming increasingly adept at portraying their ideology in the light of "being rational" and "honest". It appears that the anti-rational tactics of psuedo-leftist "anti-racists" has paid handsome dividends for the racist right.
Gee - who woulda thunk it?

The following video is an interview of Jared Taylor by Stefan Molyneux. It will need to be thoroughly analysed. The transcript of the video also appears below.

An important reference relating to this topic is Resurrecting Racism The modern attack on black people using phony science by Dr. Francisco Gil-White

A far more rational analysis of the issue of "Black crime" is available in the 20 minute video Why Do Black People Commit More Crime? Jul 13, 2016 Sargon of Akkad via YouTube

See also:- https://therationalists.org/2016/07/13/why-do-black-people-commit-more-crime/

The blurb for the video:-

MP3: http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/3339/an-honest-conversation-about-race-jared-taylor-and-stefan-molyneux
Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/stefan-molyneux/fdr-3339-an-honest-conversation-about-race-jared-taylor-and-stefan-molyneux
The Color of Crime: http://www.colorofcrime.com

For years and years, many have proclaimed a desire for an honest conversation about race, but fiercely object when such a discussion is attempted. Stefan Molyneux is joined by Jared Taylor for a discussion about racial tensions around the world and “The Color of Crime,” which is an incredibly well-researched report on differences in crime rates by race, bias in the justice system, and interracial crime statistics.

Jared Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance, the President of the New Century Foundation and the author of many books on race relations. For more from Jared Taylor, check out: http://www.amren.com and http://www.colorofcrime.com

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THE VIDEO

An Honest Conversation About Race | Jared Taylor and Stefan Molyneux Jul 8, 2016 Stefan Molyneux via YouTube

TRANSCRIPT

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hi everybody is depending on you from freedomain radio hope you doing well so
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we have on the line and I guess
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for those of you a video based on the screen Jared Taylor now Jared Taylor is
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the editor of American Renaissance the president of the new century foundation
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and the author of many books on race relations we're going to put links to
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those below i highly recommend them it's very data-driven not ideological very
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fact-based and very eye-opening you know it's it's sort of chilling
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when you realize the degree to which essential information for the
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improvement of race relations is kept hidden from people and the new century
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foundation recently released an updated version of I guess you could call it a
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pamphlet but a very data-driven presentation on the color of crime
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it's a report on differences in crime rates by race an examination of
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questions of bias in the justice system and of course interracial crime
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statistics
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mr. Taylor graduated from Yale University in 1973 with a BA in
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philosophy
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oh yes that's before heavy post-modernism so that's back from back
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when a BA from philosophy actually meant Western philosophy i would assume and
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received a diploma in political science and political studies in paris in 1978
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in the Sorbonne which I thought was originally a tasty French pastry but
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which turns out to be a very highly recognized school of academics
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mr. Taylor thank you for taking the time today oh it's my pleasure room so
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honored to be on your program
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so my I don't start by talking about me but it's very briefly my journey from
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traditional radical egalitarianism in other words the idea that if there are
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any discrepancies numerically between races in between gender
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it must be due to either racism or sexism on the part of the dominant
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racial group or agenda group which is white males that was my
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you know it was unquestioned as physics and whether the Sun will rise tomorrow
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and then as a result of you know things I've talked about my show and as various
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explorations facts as they inconveniently often tend to do chipped
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away at the foundation of this belief and I realized that in many ways i had
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as much common sense about race and gender relations as a communist has
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about economic relations and rather shocking a rather appalling and i was
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wondering if you could help people sort of understand where you started from and
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I know from your childhood you have a pretty unique perspective on race
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relations and how you ended up in the position that you are well uh I suppose
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ah I don't wish to boast but i wasn't quite as ignorant as you can so far as a
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I never was under the illusion that men and women were essentially replaceable
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somehow i think it seems to me everyone who has a mother has some notion that
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mothers are different fathers
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fortunately I had both and there was a distinct difference between the two
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but when it comes to race I was certainly just as ignorant as you and it
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took me many many years to overcome my illusions in that respect and I clung to
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them tenaciously it was with great reluctance that I said goodbye to all of
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these all of these a happy fantasies about how we're all essentially
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replaceable and everyone is the same
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I i had a slightly unusual background in that i was born in Japan and I lived
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there level 16 years old my parents were missionaries and most people assume that
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having been the one round I in this sea of Orientals would have given me some
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sort of consciousness of being a white man
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in fact that's not the case if I cast my mind back as best i can to my childhood
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I really did believe that we were essentially the same
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I was largely accepted by my Japanese classmates so I had a really quite a
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quite a wonderful and pleasant childhood I was in one place the whole time so I
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was the same group of people from kindergarten right through until I
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graduated so it was a very very pleasant
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and reasonably well integrated childhood it was only later when I started
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traveling in Africa and started reading some surprising books that my notions
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about race
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this notion that to all races are basically the same began to crumble and
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I suppose one of the most
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Oh as I look back on it now one of the most formative experiences was a trip I
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took from ivory coast to Liberia
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I was vagabonding in west africa and at that time this was in
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let's see this would have been the mid-seventies ivory coast are doing very
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well it had a very large presence of Frenchmen who are helping the economy
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move along it has since fallen into tribal warfare the Frenchman driven out
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and it's a mess
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at that time it was called the japan of west africa was doing so well that's a
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time when Japan was doing well as well but as soon as I cross the border into
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Liberia i found the place was almost a bombed-out wreck all the roads full of
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potholes the cars were tumbled down the building's looked as though they had
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been maintained for 20 years and when I got to the capital of Liberia
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I asked a young student I always went to the University because it was always
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interesting to go to the University and meet young people who had studied I
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asked him what I don't need to give you any offense but why is it that compared
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to ivory coast
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your country is a mess this is oh that's a very easy question to answer
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we didn't have the benefit of being colonized by the French well on until
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then
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wait sorry no I don't know if this person was aware but all Western
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imperialism was disastrous and predatory and horrifying and destructive and Jenna
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Seidel
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he probably didn't get the memo or maybe it wasn't translated so it's unfortunate
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that he didn't have the benefit of Marxist indoctrination regarding Western
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imperialism
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but sorry to interrupt please well that's right we'll see i was
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flabbergasted brothers reply i had not only got the memo I've had this beaten
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into me ad ad nauseam
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and so that I was absolutely staggered by that by that reply but the more I
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thought about it the more it makes sense
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and then as i continue to travel in Africa to learn as i read more things
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about
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ready some race differences I i gradually arrived at the conclusion that
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would that one would naturally reach if one were not brainwashed if one simply
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trusted the evidence of one senses which is clearly what he had done
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but anyway that was in in my in retrospect that was probably the one
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lightbulb moment but I've had several such
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in any case i guess about 25 years now ago now i decided that i should start
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some sort of organization to talk about these things and also to try to express
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the legitimate interests of whites as a group because after all every other race
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in the United States and basically around the world as publications and
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interest groups that are trying to advance their interests often at the
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expense of points whereas for whites to do this is considered an anthem ax
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it's not system its hate mongering but that's not at all the case that we have
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legitimate interests and so that's why i started American Renaissance a new
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century foundation and one of the things that you mentioned earlier in your
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introduction is the extent of which so much vital data on these questions is
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essentially kept underground never talked about
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it's there for any enterprising researcher to look and find but it's
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never talked about in one of those is the question of crime data and that is
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why we have published this monograph on race in crime that we call the color of
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crime and as you noted that we have recently updated our monograph i can
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actually show it on the screen here we have both a free pdf download version
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and a paper version
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I'm old-fashioned I like to hold paper in my hand a lot of the time although i
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spend hours staring at screens so if anyone wishes to see the data and you
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were complementary enough to call it extremely heavily data-driven which it
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is
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it's available at our website at amarin amre n.com and if you'd like to hold
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paper in your hand
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we can now send you a copy that for small feat but this is I think a perfect
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example of data that could change
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certainly the dialogue in the united states on the whole black lives matter
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foolishness but is never presented the public it's hugely important that we
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know we're talking about rather than besar outburst strictly on emotion and
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anecdotal
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well there is a frustrating aspect and it almost feels like I should say it
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almost feels like I think it is basically a trap
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we're in the request if not the demand is put out in society particularly in
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American society but also now increasingly in Europe and say we need
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an honest conversation about race
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so in the full optimism of my I guess Western upbringing
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I say ah well an honest conversation should really start with facts rather
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than feelings and we can certainly get to feelings but let's make sure that
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we're all on the same page with regards to fax so come on in and let's have an
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honest conversation about race but it seems a lot of times that having an
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honest conversation about race in America is sort of like having an honest
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conversation about Stalinism in soviet russia which is you better told the
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party line or its after the euro racist google eggs with you and I think that's
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particularly frustrating because an honest conversation about race seems in
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general in America to be white people admit your guilt admit that you're bad
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admit that you're racist
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oh and by the way give us tens of billions of dollars in compensation
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that seems a little bit more like a shame and guilt driven shakedown rather
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than honest conversation because of course if people wanted a number honest
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conversation we would start with the data because there are reasons for and
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nervousness around certain ethnic groups and and try and prevalence to be present
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it's not all a matter of racism and I want if you can start to step people
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through it
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the facts and they're somewhat shocking facts that are coming out of this
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updated version and also the challenges of getting hold of some of this data
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yes um know that this idea of having an honest conversation about race when you
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started talking about that I couldn't help thinking of Eric Holder our former
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attorney general our first black attorney general by the way he accused
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heights of cowardice in fact because of their refusal to speak honestly about
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race but as you point out his version of an honest conversation about race is for
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white people to salon at the feet of black people and beg forgiveness and
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confess our sins
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that's an honest conversation for him in fact I wrote him a letter
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not long after he accused whites are being cowards and i said i don't
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consider myself a coward on the subject I'd be delighted to have an honest
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conversation with you about race
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he didn't deign to reply need to say but yes the whole question of crime
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all Americans have an intuitive sense that black people commit more crime on
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one per capita basis points
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this intuitive sense is absolutely correct and yet the most common
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explanation for the fact that blacks are more likely to be in jail
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is that racist white police go out and arrest them unfairly
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well even when you think about this the idea somehow that some blood man come
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staggering into a police station saying oh I've just been attacked and mugged
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and the police say well what was the race of the guy who came after you and I
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said it was a white guy and then are they supposed to say
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oh gosh well move along your men were not interested when I did start
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arresting white people or if I say I was a black man
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then they say okay go round up the nearest available black man and will pin
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the murder will plan the pin the marking on him
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it just doesn't make sense we have a very well established procedure whereby
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guilt is established you have to evidence and the idea that somehow white
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policemen are out rounding up innocent black people and letting white people go
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is just ludicrous when you think about it but uh
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aside from the absurdity of that particular scenario which would have to
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be true in order for the statistics to pan out the way the egalitarian is tell
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us they must
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we have excellent data there's something called a national crime victimization
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survey in which a sample over 100,000 Americans is sampled every year that's a
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huge sample and asked about the crimes of which they have been victim and they
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will ask about many circumstances was a weapon used was indoors outdoors what
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time of day did you know the person and they asked about the race of the
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perpetrator and as it turns out black people and people of all the different
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races are arrested and almost perfect proportion to the percentages of that
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the victims report were the perpetrators in other words if half the muggers that
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Americans say were black
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I a half the mothers are black then as it turns out half the mothers of the
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police arrest are also black
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if it turns out that thirty percent of the people that Americans say rape them
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are black
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as it turns out police arrest about the thirty percent of the people that they
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arrest for rape or black
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then these these proportions match almost perfectly
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this is a study this is a lie i think the most eloquent refutation of the idea
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of racist police that is almost never ever discussed
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I have never seen a discussion of the National Crime Victimization survey in a
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major ordinary mainstream useless you will find references to it in
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specialised criminal journals but never never in mainstream sources
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well and i think i think one of the reasons for that is that if not the main
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reason i think everyone gets what happens if you start flicking the first
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domino like in other words if not to use a black and white analogy but if you if
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you think the first domino I guess everyone is concerned with what happens
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afterwards because if we say okay well it's not racism in the American police
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and judicial and criminal system that is responsible for higher rates of black
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incarceration
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the next question is okay well if it's not that then what is it and of course
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the next thing that's usually suggested is ok well let's say somehow you know
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the data magically wiped away all the most traces of bias in the police system
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the next question that comes up with the next student answer that comes up is our
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well you see mr. Taylor
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what what the case is is that black people grew up very poor because of
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institutional racism institutional is a magic word which says you don't have to
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find anyone guilty of racism
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they're just racist by virtue are being a bit of a particular race which of
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course is a racist statement but let's just pass that for the moment they
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always lack of opportunity it's bad schools and in the poor districts
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it's ghettos therefore even if we say it's not
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police racism it must be poverty and then of course what happens is the next
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logical thing is to say okay well if it's poverty
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then we must compare poor black neighborhoods to poor white
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neighborhoods and then what happens
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uh-huh well that is not merely a rhetorical question
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we find that of all the possible alleged contributors to criminality lack of
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education poverty divorce rates legitimacy rates
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none of these has very much independent predictive power it is the race of the
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neighborhood that just cuts through all of the chaff all of the noise and that
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is what tells you why are where there's going to be a lot of crime and in fact
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argument i frequently make is that it's not so much poverty that causes crime as
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crime in effect causes a great deal of poverty
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if there is a criminal neighborhood full of criminal people people are not going
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to start businesses there
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if you have spent your your teens and twenties in and out of jail
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chances are once you reach the magical age of about forty when people stop
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committing crimes if they're still out on the street
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you're going to be unemployable so crime results in poverty in a very very large
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degree or another . i like to make is that during the Depression in the united
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states in the end of the nineteenth and twentieth early thirties a large number
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of Americans suddenly became poor that did not result in a spike in crime
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not at all there was no discernible connection so at all and so no that's
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that's a fallacious argument but again people are never tripped confronted with
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the facts and if you do take arrest rates as the best indicators of crime
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commission rates and that's the best data we have
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aside from the
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the reports of the victims and as I say these track almost perfectly in terms of
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proportions
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well refined are some really quite astonishing things in some of the large
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cities in the United States and these are unusual samples in certain respects
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because the large cities you find wealthier lights and often poor blacks
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but you will find differentials and violent crime rates of 30 fold in some
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cases 50 fold in the case of shootings in New York City and shooting is when
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someone fires a weapon in New York City and a bullet hit someone
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blacks are arrested at nearly 100 times the rate of whites but this is a
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staggering disproportionate very seldom in sociology you get disparities as huge
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as this to the point where if if New York City were one hundred percent white
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and all the additional flights were committing crimes the same rates as the
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whites who are currently living there you would have a decrease the murder
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rate of about ninety percent muggings would drop 85% shootings would
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practically vanish and disappear
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you could fire probably three-quarters maybe eighteen ninety percent of police
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force and all of these statistics are there available in the police
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department's annual report
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i would bet you any amount of money the New York Times has never discussed those
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statistics as you say once you open the door
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where does it in once you determine that perhaps the races are not equivalent
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oh my gosh where does this lead but to that argument I point out that we are
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now building a society based on a complete miss force misperception about
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race which leads to all kinds of absurd distortions inequalities and all manner
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of unfairness in the other direction i think is increasingly intolerable
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well I mean to me the the race relations throughout the West are equivalent to
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the Communist view of why people end up rich and why people end up or because in
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the Communist you everybody is determined by their economic environment
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so the economic determinism and therefore the only reason why some
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people are rich
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some people are poor is the result of exploitation and therefore we must
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equalize everything and this idea that the only difference is an ethnic groups
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and particular black and white will talk about some of the other ethnic groups as
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well
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the idea that it's all racism is fundamentally incorrect and I think
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we're the challenges is that if you start to say okay well it's not racism
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in the police and it's not poverty then we get to two places that make people
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extremely uncomfortable and one of them is somewhat uncomfortable and the other
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is thermonuclear and comfortable
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the somewhat uncomfortable one is the question of is there something
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self-destructive in black culture and perhaps its rage against the servants
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suppose that edifice of of white institutionalized racism is there
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something self-destructive in black culture and there's a lot of data to
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support that insofar as black families for instance we're doing much better in
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the nineteen fifties when we could argue that racism was was far higher
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hey is there something destructive in the black culture and b is there
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something biologically different between the races and those two areas are such a
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staggering land mines for people that it's sort of its it's a truth test you
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like in the old days in the medieval court system if you were accused of a
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crime one of the ways you could prove your innocence was to reach into a
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boiling vat of water and pull out and iron rod and there are actually some
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vaguely decent reasons for that only because only innocent people would
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assume that God would protect them from such a burning but that's the truth test
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for me for intellectual integrity with regards to this and one that I failed
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myself for many years so i say this with all humility is that can you reach in
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and even begin to entertain the court the idea of either a dysfunctional black
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culture and the question of racial differences that are biologically rooted
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yes of that is as you say the thermonuclear question now
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I tend to call it of the radioactive question
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yes indeed that is the UH the road down which very very few minds are prepared
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to venture no matter what the data and as a matter of fact I was just reading
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an article by a fellow Kaufman I believe his name is he has investigated extent
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into which
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scientists in the psychometric and psychological testing area have decided
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not to investigate this question or if they do investigate it frankly to lie
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about it because it is more important to promote lives about racial differences
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in other words to minimize to pretend they do not exist rather than recognize
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them
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I've always taken a different view on that after all if we posit as an
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irrefutable and unarguable fact that white people and black people are in
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from a mentality . of view absolutely identically the same and then we tell
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black people all right
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the reason you do not do so well in school is because of racist teachers the
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reason you don't do well economically because of racist employees
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the reason you're in jail is because of those racist police everything that goes
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wrong for you
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past present and future is the fault of these wicked white people
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what better way to teach black people to hate white people that's in fact the
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message that we give black people day in day out and in fact it's a way of almost
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infantile izing blacks
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it's telling them nothing is really your fault
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I think in a way that is as bad a message as and inciting them to hate
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whites because when you think about it as we grow up all of us eventually
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reconcile ourselves to the fact that we are not the smartest of the best-looking
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the most musical the most attractive to the opposite sex there's always somebody
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who in a fair fight is going to be ters and if we keep telling black people no
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no
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you've always been cheated we never give them a chance to grow up
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furthermore up until maybe 60 or 70 years ago the idea that the races were
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unequal in average was taken for granted and that didn't result in the kinds of
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horrible despair or the kind of violence that people predict now if you were ever
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to make something up acknowledged publicly that there are racial
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differences as you said the nineteen fifties in fact the nineteen twenties on
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at least one since even under slavery for her
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sink there were more stable families among blacks than there are today
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so what is the oh and of course at that time the idea that blacks were mentally
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not comfortable to whites was utterly taken for granted
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so I don't think that we risk some sort of psychological or social upheaval
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if we recognize the truth on the contrary by failing to recognize the
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truth
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we build in all sorts of absurdities into our society if you can't tell the
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truth about racial ability and racial groups you can hard to tell the truth
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about anything else
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ok so let's dig into some of those differences for those people who I guess
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they're in the mainstream and and have had all of this information like Moses
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striding through the Red Sea all of this information has been kept for from
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people some of the basics which I've talked about with other experts in the
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field on the show will put a playlist to ethnicities and intelligent ethnicities
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and an IQ below but to me the most important one is like you
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and of course people are alarmed about talking about this because Jason dr.
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Jason Richwine had a career until like he now has a career but it's a different
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kind of career was until he pointed out that Hispanics have lower IQs and whites
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I'm one of the greatest biologists in the 20th century james watson
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co-discoverer with creek of of the structure of DNA
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well he he mentioned something about this and was forced out of his career
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and had to end up selling his Nobel Prize for food so it is a very very
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challenging position but nonetheless we must a good or loins and and press
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onward as as is the case with all honest intellectual inquiries but the the data
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seems to be fairly conclusive that sub-saharan african blacks have an IQ
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that is an average of 70 which is two standard deviations below the average
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for white Western Europeans and whites in north america and that American
25:10
blacks because of a twenty to twenty-five percent admixture of
25:14
European DNA have an IQ between sub-saharan Africans and Europeans are
25:20
clocking in at about 85 and from what I understand of the data if you normalize
25:27
by eyeq the vast majority of racial differences disappear
25:31
in other words we're not comparing apples to apples if we comparing blacks
25:36
whites in America
25:37
what we want to do is compare blacks who have an IQ of 85 with whites who have an
25:42
IQ of 85 and we find similar levels of dysfunction and criminality and single
25:46
parenthood and so on
25:48
however arguably and I think very strongly arguably in this situation for
25:53
American blacks has gotten a lot worse since they were co-opted by sort of semi
25:57
socialist political correctness and absolved of responsibility to a large
26:01
degree and so far as in the post-war period in America a lot of blacks were
26:05
emerging for poverty a lot of them are moving into higher education a lot of
26:08
blacks were getting professional degrees and so on
26:10
and now that this giant cloak of instant mountable white races in between you and
26:14
any success factors has occurred i think a lot of the really able and competent
26:18
blacks have been blocked
26:19
culturally from success because of course all successful blacks counter the
26:24
narrative or in surmountable white racism and therefore become an enemy to
26:28
this very prevalent idea in both leftist and in certain sections of the black
26:33
community to the enormous tragedy of race relations in my opinion
26:37
well two points there first of all even when you do control for IQ there are
26:43
residual differences and these can perhaps be attributed to differences in
26:49
the willingness to forgo our present satisfaction for future game
26:56
there seems to be an independent variable along those lines as well
26:59
blacks have I never get over there is a greater or lesser time how how that
27:04
works up in the corner according to the lingo but that's capacity to defer
27:08
gratification I think I probably be the best the easiest way to put in your life
27:12
I have that problem too
27:13
the kids yes so they're less able to sacrifice now for future benefit
27:17
and this is found from childhood on and even when you control for IQ but i agree
27:22
with you i q is really that the fundamental differential and
27:26
interestingly enough
27:28
all of the tests which have been accused of grievous bias a systematic bias
27:33
against blacks because they were invented by white people
27:35
well lo and behold North asians score higher on them than whites and the way
27:40
we find North asians living in terms of the legitimacy rates per capita income
27:45
crime rates in all of those respects they build societies that are frankly
27:49
objectively superior to those of whites which is not necessarily mean that we
27:54
wish to turn Japanese will be replaced by Japanese are Koreans but along those
27:58
standards they are different and they can be described as superior to us
28:02
the other question that they're the question you raised is the extent to
28:06
which the success of individual blacks refutes the idea of monolithic racism
28:13
it doesn't seem to make a bit of difference we can have a black president
28:16
of the United States a black attorney general we can have all of these black
28:20
movie stars and basketball players
28:23
it doesn't make a bit of difference every one of them is either some sort of
28:27
freak exception or they would claim they have gotten even further
28:32
had they been white I remember years ago the president of the n-double-a-cp at
28:38
that time I forgotten his name now this is perhaps 20 years ago he was saying
28:42
okay I've done pretty well at present the n-double-a-cp if our white
28:46
I'd be President of the United States well of course now we have a black man
28:50
as president of the united states
28:52
how far could he have gone without racism and obviously he of t2 had to
28:57
combat racism daily use this wonderful productive guy had to be twice as good
29:02
to get half as far as the expression goes
29:05
what could he have accomplished if you were if you were not if you were not
29:08
this spat upon color but in any case no the fact that individual success stories
29:14
never seemed to go very far to refute this monolithic racism that all blacks
29:19
face and at the same time
29:21
oddly enough the exceptional achievement of of a certain on white group namely
29:26
asian
29:27
in the United States or in any multiracial society that
29:31
- never refutes this theory of model if it quite racial exploitation either but
29:37
that's never spoken of and I've talked about at this show about the invisible
29:40
North asians know that the ghosts they don't exist because whenever people and
29:46
I had a guy call in some months ago he wanted to talk about racism in america
29:49
and I said oh do you mean like hispanic racism towards blacks or puerto rican
29:54
racism towards x group and he's like no I know you know what I'm talking about
29:58
because it's always and forever portrayed when you speak of racism
30:01
it can only and forever be whites against blacks
30:06
now the question of course is if you start to factor in the North asians and
30:10
by that we mean I assume you mean did Chinese the Koreans and the Japanese and
30:14
so on
30:15
who score on IQ tests that are supposedly so euro and white sentra to
30:19
score higher than whites by up to half a standard deviation at times
30:23
so the question then becomes if you bring the Japanese say into the equation
30:28
in Japanese have a higher per capita income than whites they have greater
30:31
family stability they achieve greater educational levels in general and they
30:36
exhibit all the same factors of a higher IQ group that you would imagine in other
30:40
words if you took the whites who have the same IQs is the average of the
30:44
notations they doing about the same
30:47
then if you bring the North Haitians into the equation what happens is the
30:50
monolithic white racism cracks and falls and then we say well whites must be
30:55
somehow pro-north asian because they are doing better but they must be anti-black
31:00
so it can't be just general other illness that white people have a problem
31:04
with it must be more specific to the black community and again that's just
31:08
dominoes and people are experts at preventing these first two hang on like
31:11
grim death but make sure this first domino never goes down because then you
31:15
have to say okay well whites aren't racist because no evasions do better and
31:18
white societies and blacks then maybe we should look and see if there are
31:22
differences in behavior between North asians and blacks and again that just
31:27
leads you down this Domino path when you start looking at the statistics as you
31:30
point out in the color of crime
31:32
North asians which have of course been called the model minority commit crimes
31:36
at significantly lower rates than whites and therefore
31:40
we would expect them to be judged so if people are judging the behaviour of
31:44
groups rather than just having some innate prejudice
31:47
we have a problem because they're not all white- used what blacks can be
31:53
blamed on me a white racism because the moment empiricism drift into this we
31:58
have to start talking about facts rather than prejudices
32:00
yes that's certainly true American society operates according to a very
32:05
simple syllogism all groups are by definition equal some groups do not
32:12
succeed at the same rate as other groups
32:15
ergo every one of those differences must be the result of systemic oppression by
32:20
the majority group now as you point out
32:23
I asians end up having to be ghosts in order for that the whole true and yes
32:28
this exceptional success story of asians is Nevernever part of that question
32:35
now let's talk a little bit about one of the hottest topics at the moment
32:41
if not the hottest topic which is the question of Hispanics
32:45
mmm because with Donald Trump's ascendancy and and two people who don't
32:52
have access to this information and by that I generally being indoctrinated
32:55
leftists people who don't have this information
32:59
find the the rise the meteoric rise of Donald Trump to be absolutely
33:04
incompressible
33:06
but of course you've done in the color of prime and a lot of your other work
33:09
you've done a lot of work on helping people to understand some of the
33:13
challenges of the mass Hispanic migration into America and its effect on
33:17
criminality on the school system on bullying on school violence our
33:21
neighborhoods and so on
33:23
so for people who don't live in all white gated communities which seems
33:28
sometimes to be the majority of leftists can you help people understand
33:33
one of the reasons why Donald Trump is becoming so successful when he talks
33:37
about Hispanic crime or immigrant crime illegal immigrant crime in particular
33:42
I think that there are really two important reasons for Donald Trump's
33:46
success and even now even if he's not even if it doesn't become president
33:52
united states he will have achieved something absolutely remarkable
33:56
it will go down in history will be downplayed but it will be extremely
33:59
significant
34:00
and that is he is the first candidate in old perhaps half a century to talk about
34:06
immigration in terms of the interests of the American people
34:10
this is this is unprecedented mostly when we talk about immigration we assume
34:15
that it's a wonderful thing for America no matter where anyone comes from no
34:18
matter how ill-educated no matter how crime prone
34:21
no matter how failed the society from which he issues
34:24
it's all wonderful for America because diversity itself is a wonderful thing
34:27
and so for the people who actually live with the consequences of diversity
34:33
they see that when their primary school is filled with people for whom the
34:39
teachers have to spend an enormous and an inordinate amount of time trying to
34:43
teach them English how to speak English rather than mathematics or our history
34:48
they realized that's not an advantage when they are living next to people who
34:52
play mariachis music at four a.m. in the morning who keep to keep chickens the
34:56
crow 3am when they want to go and play on the baseball field but they find that
35:01
is taken over by Hispanics were playing soccer
35:04
all of this kind of oil and water sense of being invaded by a foreign country
35:09
people don't like it they don't like it and it's perfectly normal that they not
35:13
like it
35:14
and by the way it's not just whites you don't like it ask some of the blacks who
35:19
have left South Central Los Angeles what it's like to be invaded by Hispanics
35:23
they don't care for it one bit either so we have we have a presidential candidate
35:28
who is speaking in terms of the undesirability of certain immigrants and
35:33
their undesirability to speak in those terms implicitly is to say we need
35:38
immigrants who will fit into the United States and contribute to our country
35:42
that is on obviously sensible approach to immigration but it's unprecedented in
35:48
the last old for five decades in terms of any kind of parliament presidential
35:53
candidate or from congressman
35:54
senator so this is this is so refreshing to ordinary white people who are sick
35:59
and tired of pressing one to listen to to be put to be connected to someone
36:05
actually speaks English
36:07
they don't wish to have this choice of speak to someone in Spanish
36:11
the other thing that I think that Donald Trump is done and this is something that
36:16
the so-called far right in Europe has done very well is to combine a sense of
36:22
racial or cultural nationalism with a sense of socialism if you will
36:28
ordinary Americans do not hate government they hate government when it
36:32
seems to be coddling blacks and immigrants and criminals and the
36:37
sexually incomprehensible and all of these people have a chip on their
36:41
shoulder against white America they do not like that kind of government but in
36:45
terms of social security in terms of medical help for those who cannot afford
36:49
it a kind of a safety net most white Americans are not upset about that they
36:53
don't take this narrow libertarian view the Conservatives so wish to promote and
36:59
so he's appealing both to a kind of socialistic aspect that many people have
37:04
as well as a nationalist sense that would be the kind of appear we find our
37:10
in the lungs belong in in Belgium the Flemish nationalist we find that are in
37:15
the french national front we find that also in some of the Austrian parties
37:21
this has been very successful in Europe and so Donald Trump whether consciously
37:25
or not i think in his case simply instinctively he is combining the
37:30
aspects of nationalism national identity with the sense of socialism which is
37:36
government is supposed to be helping look after people who can look after
37:39
themselves and that's been extremely extremely successful we'll see whether
37:45
it carries them all the way to the presidency
37:47
yeah yeah I i believe that it well but we'll obviously i will see that time
37:52
will tell
37:53
this is something that's hard for people to understand first of all of course
37:57
they say what America is a nation of immigrants and that's true to some
37:59
degree
38:00
but the vast majority of American immigrants up until nineteen sixty-five
38:04
were significant majority white Europeans same judeo-christian Greek or
38:09
Roman culture for the most part lot of regional differences nobody's going to
38:12
inflate a summary from the Basque region with somebody from Poland but
38:16
nonetheless races blend and people from various ethnicities
38:21
sorry people from various nations within the same race I usually end up being
38:25
fairly indistinguishable over the course of say two to three generations after
38:29
the first generation cultural effects wear off it will be generally model
38:33
ourselves after appears rather than after our parents which is why people
38:37
with a strong Scottish accent raise kids who don't have a strong Scottish accent
38:40
because even though the parents teach to get how to speak
38:43
they don't end up with a Brogue because they're modeling themselves after their
38:46
peers but the racist don't seem to go that way it seems very hard for people
38:51
to move beyond the the question of race now whether that's in eight and
38:56
biological or as you've pointed out to the one of the great biologist is
39:00
pointed out that two subspecies of the same species never inhabit the same
39:04
geographical area for very long there's always a sort of fight for dominance but
39:08
since nineteen sixty-five the idea of european immigration that America was a
39:14
white Christian European derived nation has been completely cast by the wayside
39:19
and now to the vast majority of immigrants are coming in who are not
39:24
white and not European and come from cultures that are antithetical to the
39:28
entire American experiment and my argument very briefly has been that
39:33
after Kris Jeff pointed out the endless crimes and brutalities of joseph stalin
39:38
the the idea that that communism was your left is and with some wonderful
39:42
utopia which had been sustained by the wet and by the left since the founding
39:47
of communist russia in 1917
39:49
well did the evidence was in and it was a nightmare and so they couldn't win the
39:52
intellectual or fact-based argument anymore so they just started importing
39:55
groups who vote wildly for Democrats and Muslims wildly for Democrats Hispanics
40:00
but wildly for Democrats third world groups of every race the vote wildly for
40:06
Democrats so they've got their thumb on the scale they don't want to engage in
40:09
intellectual debate because the facts out on their side
40:11
so they're stacking the deck by bringing in
40:13
people who are going to vote for them and and the fact that third world was in
40:17
general vote for the left should give everyone some what of a pause when it
40:22
comes to examining the left but i think that aspect to say not all immigrants
40:26
are created equal and the lesser unless they are bigger speech here last thing
40:29
I'll mention is that it's not it's not a America plus immigrants
40:34
it's America - white splash immigrants that that's the important thing when
40:37
this is particularly true in Europe as immigration goes up the the birth rate
40:43
of the whites goes down now I mean correlation is not causation and so on
40:47
but given that most immigrants require and huge amount of government resources
40:52
and those resources have to come from somewhere
40:54
when you get low functioning low IQ largely illiterate at least in the ways
40:59
of the West immigrants coming in you have a massive white wealth transfer
41:02
from whites and blacks who are native to immigrants which means that there's less
41:06
money available for whites and blacks who are native to raise their own kids
41:10
so what you do is you end up with very versatile third world immigrants coming
41:13
into a country taking away resources by which the natives might have their own
41:17
children
41:18
so it is a escalating displacement which is what we can see happening in Europe
41:21
and that is
41:23
demographically a disaster in the long run sorry for the long speech if you can
41:27
expect a question from that I be perfect for health care to comment
41:31
no no I i agree with you one hundred percent as you well know the United
41:35
States up until nineteen sixty-five had an immigration policy that were designed
41:39
to keep the country overwhelmingly northern European in fact the very first
41:44
naturalization law passed in 1790 by the very first congress of the united states
41:50
this is when the new country were deciding what sort of country do we do
41:54
we wish to be
41:55
they established a naturalization law that required that every candidate for
42:00
naturalization be a free white person of good character
42:03
they had a very clear notion this is going to be a nation for white people
42:07
and in 1965 the law was changed the people who were boosting that law as you
42:13
probably know Thomas that this is not going to result in any kind of upset and
42:17
ethnic balance oh no no no no
42:20
now we don't know if they were fools you know or or whether they were
42:23
tires but they were one of the other in any case there's been a huge upset and
42:28
if in 1965 the Congress had been told
42:31
well in less than 100 years in probably about 80 years
42:36
this change in immigration means that whites will become a numerical Menard in
42:40
the United States we can be absolutely certain that long would never have been
42:45
passed Americans simply took it for granted that they were not post of
42:49
Europe and that is why people who have grown up in an outpost of Europe when
42:53
they find that their neighborhood has become an outpost of Haiti or Guatemala
42:57
or Mexico they are absolutely infuriated and because they haven't had an
43:03
opportunity to vote for Donald Trump before but the very last but at the very
43:07
least they will move to some other part of the United States this that is still
43:10
an outpost of Europe
43:12
so yes that this demographic change combined as you say with declining birth
43:17
rates really spells a remarkable and transformative change in the entire
43:25
texture of life in the United States and i agree with you i think that the
43:30
declining birth rates in both Europe and the United States among whites have at
43:34
least in part two are due to this transfer of wealth that you just bit
43:40
that you just described at the same time I think there is some kind of
43:44
psychological barrier to whites
43:47
when they look out and they see the changing of their country they see their
43:51
country slipping from their fingers
43:54
I think that it's some deep psychological level that makes them
43:57
think we'll gosh i'm not sure how many young descendants of my I wish to send
44:02
in to this future of America where they will be a minority and perhaps even
44:06
hated minority
44:08
I think that there is pop I can't prove this but I think there's probably some
44:12
kind of psychological effect there as well
44:15
that depresses white fertility rates but who knows when we find the same kind of
44:20
depressed fertility and places like Japan Korea Taiwan or they don't have
44:26
that transforming effect either of demography
44:29
but in any case yes what we're facing is oblivion ultimately if this continues at
44:34
this current Pope as a pet
44:35
its current puse well and the degree to which white culture has benefited the
44:42
world and of course white culture is a very very wide that about the if you
44:46
sort of look at the inventions that the art and the music and and the political
44:50
you know the philosophy of course came out of white culture in ancient greece
44:55
as a whole that the scientific method the free market a lot of the inventions
44:59
that have come out of the free market
45:01
the funny thing is that if white people really cared about the world they were
45:04
very much wish to preserve white culture because white culture benefits the world
45:08
so enormously that if why people commit some sort of pathological altruism
45:14
seppuku and and spilled their own interests in in collective white guilt
45:18
the world will be far poorer off their bye and there would be far fewer
45:22
advantages and innovations and creations and art music literature and so on to
45:28
benefit the world as a whole
45:29
so if even if we are enmeshed in this pathological altruism and wish to
45:33
benefit the world as a whole
45:34
doing so at the expense of her own culture is actually harming the world to
45:38
an enormous and possibly irrecoverable degree
45:41
you may be surprised to know just how many non whites have contacted me or my
45:48
organization American Renaissance with precisely that . they say look white
45:53
people
45:54
please do not commit suicide the world needs you
45:58
this is something that people in India have looked to me about people in Africa
46:03
have commented on this
46:04
Asians have commented on this there is a surprising number of wide awake people
46:09
out there who recognize the extraordinary gifts we've made the world
46:13
civilization they don't want a world without us
46:16
it is White's apparently we're prepared to walk off the cliff voluntarily
46:20
it's really quite an astonishing thing I've even been thinking of making a
46:23
little collection of these missives from non-whites all around the world saying
46:28
look we're rooting for you make sure that white people don't die out we need
46:32
you
46:33
well and this is the thing hit case on the show before and when when Hispanics
46:39
or when Mexicans leave Mexico as you know more than a quarter of the entire
46:43
population of Mexico's in the united states that made this decision
46:47
appalling thing it should big everybody get to the rooftops with some barbaric
46:51
you lots of what the heck is going on
46:53
but when the Mexicans leave Mexico home come to America it's because they wish
46:58
to enjoy the uniquely American character of the country its culture and its
47:01
institutions and there is no I think it's been referred to as magic soil you
47:05
know this magic dirt that just it's Republican dirt
47:09
you know it's all been blessed with the Constitution and it's been turned into a
47:12
species of holy water and it's been sprinkled all over America and everyone
47:16
who comes just clearly if if Japan was evacuated and they were like three
47:21
japanese people left and the entire population of Mexico move to Japan
47:24
well Japan would no longer be Japanese it would be a Mexican island with some
47:28
are shrines at least from the point of view of the Mexicans and so the idea
47:32
that people come to America because they prefer America to wherever they're
47:37
coming from and then we should assist them as much as humanly possible to help
47:42
them turn america into exactly where they come from where they don't want to
47:46
be anymore
47:47
is it is service even to the immigrants who come so the Hispanics who come
47:51
don't want America to turn into Mexico so the people who have come legally and
47:55
have invested in becoming Americans do so because they enjoy some aspect of the
47:59
American culture
48:00
Americans don't have the right to take that benefit away from them which they
48:05
have worked so hard to achieve it would be logical if the ones who came legally
48:11
and see the differences between Mexico and the United States were as you
48:15
suggest to be opposed to mass immigration from Mexico or certainly
48:20
illegal immigration from Mexico but that's not in fact we find it seems that
48:25
the more successful Hispanics are in the United States if they become college
48:29
professors if they become a state legislators if they become congressman
48:33
the more radical they become the more they insist that our borders should be
48:37
open the more they insist that the southwestern part of the United States
48:40
was stolen from Mexico
48:42
it belongs to them and therefore they have the right to keep coming in
48:46
it doesn't seem to work out logically ultimately it seems that the pool of
48:51
blood and nation in history and shared culture is stronger than the rational
48:56
desire to live
48:57
in a place where things work so much better from that miserable place that
49:02
they escaped from so many generations are going in some cases so no it doesn't
49:06
that would be a rational thing to do but we almost never see it doing
49:11
but everything that you mention it is of course a political or quality political
49:16
in this on a market facing institution in becoming a professor is becoming part
49:21
of a state cartel becoming a politician
49:23
so then you're in the business of propagandizing and buying votes but I i
49:26
know that there's a significant degree of support among blacks and Hispanics
49:29
for Donald Trump for this very reason of course blacks don't like the endless
49:32
wave of illegal immigrants because it depresses wages and opportunities for
49:36
blacks and Hispanics lot of hispanics don't like it because they actually
49:39
treasure a good deal of the liberties and and lack of you know one of the
49:45
problems with Hispanics as they want more and more government services by
49:48
Paul's but they want to pay less and less than in terms of taxation which you
49:52
know could help returning to America into the wonderfully financially stable
49:55
countries that we see and in Central and South America
49:59
so I i do think there are a lot of people who do want for America to retain
50:03
its character and what is fundamentally strange to me is that for whites to say
50:11
the interest of white people are important
50:13
the interest of white people should be defined and protected and we should
50:17
why people should advocate for their own benefit is considered to be one of the
50:22
grossest expressions of racism if not not system and so on in white countries
50:28
I mean if i can look forward to go to Japan and say that that Japanese people
50:32
should never be allowed to advocate for Japanese interest in their own country
50:37
I can't like I you you know more about Japan than i do i can't even react they
50:42
just be like they'd laugh like who are you to come and say the Japanese people
50:46
in their own country cannot advocate for Japanese interests wonders where we've
50:50
come to me it's just shocking place to think of
50:53
they would call for the man in the white coat so if you suggest such a thing to
50:57
them
50:58
no it's well we shall see we shall see just how many Hispanics end up voting
51:03
for Donald Trump
51:04
this will be a very interesting exercise Hispanics have as you say over
51:09
tellingly voted for Democrats I think partly it has to do with the Democratic
51:13
coddling of immigrants
51:15
now whether Donald Trump will have any effect on that we will see
51:19
and of course as you put out the black reaction is a fascinating one back in
51:24
nineteen eighty six when president ronald ring and regular eyes . what
51:29
turned out to be three or four million illegal immigrants the black
51:33
congressional Congress was very much opposed to that
51:36
now they are in favor of legalization of non of of illegal immigrants and there
51:43
has been a remarkable change among blacks to go from wanting to protect
51:48
their own constituents against this illegal cheap labor
51:52
- what appears to me to be the idea that they will build a rainbow coalition
51:57
against the white man that somehow they and mexicans arm in arm will overcome
52:03
white America
52:05
this will be the end of white privilege I think this is a badly badly mistaken
52:10
view and it seems to me that if blacks have any sense at all they would vote
52:14
overwhelmingly for Donald Trump Donald Trump has never said anything on
52:19
complimentary about blacks
52:20
he's never talked about race and IQ is never talked about the differences and I
52:25
in crime rates none of those things
52:27
the only shocking things that he said by contemporary standards are the idea of
52:32
keeping Muslims out
52:34
I think most blacks don't are particularly happy with the idea of
52:38
having Muslims and having pointed out that many not many mexican immigrants
52:43
are undesirable characters
52:45
this should resonate profoundly with blacks
52:48
so we will see whether they are led by the Pied Piper tune of their so-called
52:53
leaders before that they will be able to vote their own legitimate interests
52:57
just as White's do in in terms of whether or not we want any more hispanic
53:02
immigrants or whether or not we want the import the same Muslim problem that the
53:07
Europeans are suffering from well and this is something that is almost
53:12
incomprehensible to people they didn't used to be but I think it certainly is
53:16
now
53:16
and for this is specifically targeted towards whites because why it's a
53:21
specifically targeted in this area because there is this postmodern
53:26
argument which goes something like this that the dominant group is racist but
53:33
anybody who's not part of the dominant group cannot be racist right and what
53:37
that means of course is that there is a massive moral subsidy to Ward's cries of
53:45
racism against white people and and this
53:47
it's not an equal fight you know it's not even bringing a knife to a gunfight
53:51
as the old saying used to go from the untouchables it is that a white people
53:56
can never complain about racism against white people and of course if you look
54:01
in society and particularly if you look at curriculum going on in the social
54:05
social justice warrior factory of modern universities in what used to be called
54:09
the humanities and now I think can reasonably be called the left is
54:12
bigotries the fermenting of anti-white hatred is extremely strong and very
54:18
toxic and very dangerous and they have course it comes to the big question is
54:22
that
54:23
I can't help but think Jared that if i lived in a society of white people then
54:28
the giant fly swatter of shut up why do your racist could never be used against
54:33
me
54:33
we could actually have debates about ideas rather than ethnicities we can
54:37
actually have debates where reason an argument could win and of course it's
54:41
not like all white people are rational and of course not right but the reality
54:44
is that the giant thermal nuclear strike of your racist could not be brought to
54:49
bear in the debate or in the discussion and i can tell you that's kinda tempting
54:56
in a lot of ways because if other people are unwilling to drop the race card
55:00
I'm not sure I want to play the game anymore well you're again making this
55:04
our assumption that fact somehow matter
55:08
uh-huh I think we're dealing with what's in a bad bad thinker a bad picture i
55:13
think we're in effect dealing with what is the equivalent of a religion one of
55:18
the speakers at our upcoming American Renaissance conference so later this
55:22
month dan route
55:23
he says that compared to Islam which is probably the most powerful
55:29
region in the world today the gala Terry and liberalism is probably the second
55:33
most powerful religion
55:35
it's when people are absorbed by this idea they ceased to think in terms of
55:40
fact the facts don't matter
55:41
they can ignore the facts or if they discover the fact they're perfectly
55:45
happy to suppress them
55:46
so that's a how we deal with something like this is a real problem i tend to
55:51
take this this plotting logical approach
55:55
I say here are the facts isn't this a reasonable conclusion to draw from the
55:59
fact
55:59
well first of all we ignore the facts and logic has nothing to do with it
56:04
all of these people who are trained to hate themselves they seem to take a real
56:09
pleasure these white people do a friend of mine points out that white people
56:14
love to feel good about themselves by feeling bad about being quite this is
56:20
this is something this is a source of great virtue of self exaltation for them
56:26
where this comes from for me is in fact a mystery and I've tried to think about
56:30
this
56:31
people talk about the effects of the two world wars people talk about a perverted
56:36
sense of Christianity
56:37
people talk about the alleged machination of Jews who have taught
56:40
white people to hate themselves
56:42
none of this stuff really makes any sense to me I don't understand why a
56:46
dominant people really at the height of its powers has suddenly decided that
56:52
they don't really deserve to exist they were at the apex of civilization and now
56:56
we decided
56:57
gosh there's something fundamentally wrong with us and if we just glimmer
57:02
away and disappear that will somehow be a benefit to the entire rest of the
57:06
world
57:07
I don't know where the self-hating self-loathing mentality could possibly
57:11
have come from
57:12
I sometimes wonder if there's something genetically defective it in white people
57:17
and after all
57:19
after all you can make the argument if white people do not take the steps
57:23
necessary to survive
57:25
Nature doesn't care nature is brutal by nature's terms whites do not deserve to
57:29
survive if they're unwilling to take the steps that will ensure their survival
57:34
I can run past it tiny little theory if you like
57:38
service is this is new so it's not polished but its liquor a brief swing
57:43
and you can tell me what you think
57:45
I think one of the reasons why it's ended up with smallest government's is
57:51
that whether it's the result of Socrates argument that reason equals virtue
57:57
equals happiness or whether it's the result of the implantation of a self
58:02
critical conscience through Christianity I don't know I don't know but but there
58:06
does seem to be something very strong in terms of guilt in white cultures and
58:12
guilt is a wonderful thing in a lot of ways you know that the Jiminy Cricket
58:17
conscience that I grew up with you know what is your inner voice say and so on
58:20
if you can get a group of people to internalise moral standards you can end
58:25
up with an extraordinarily efficient society because you don't need roaming
58:29
gangs of people but clubs beating people up and stoning people and you don't need
58:33
a giant government apparatus to enforce social norms because people internalize
58:38
those and they feel bad and you know I'm a father and I see this with my daughter
58:44
you know like if i say well this wasn't that great like oh you know like she's
58:47
got this
58:48
oh you know what I really shouldn't do that and she's very sort of marley
58:50
sensitive and and wants to do the right thing
58:52
now whether that comes out of our verses K selection is as the late dr. phillip
58:57
rushes and talked about whether that comes out of her kin peculiar alchemy of
59:00
cultural influences i'm not sure but white people internalized their moral
59:04
standards and then universalize them
59:06
yes and guilt cultures are incredibly efficient you can have tiny government's
59:12
killed cultures means that if I cheat you I feel bad
59:15
so we don't need a giant enforcement mechanism for contract six its is one of
59:19
the main reasons I think why why its accumulated so much wealth is this
59:23
internalization and South attack for deviating from moral standards and so to
59:28
me that's a very powerful mechanism but it leaves you particularly vulnerable to
59:32
other cultures because most other cultures are based on attack of deviance
59:37
not guilt but attack of deviance
59:42
you know it you'll beat the crap out of people who deviate from some particular
59:46
social norm
59:47
and there's this fear of attack this fear of being harmed externally there's
59:52
not that same internalization now the problem is of course that these cultures
59:57
that are attack based are exquisitely good at verbal abuse and and they don't
60:02
have that same internalization of conscience and so when guilt cultures
60:06
come into contact with attack cultures the guilt cultures
60:10
it's not an equal fight because the attack cultures can make the guilty
60:13
cultures feel bad but the guilty cultures can make the attack cultures
60:16
feel bad which is why everyone getting angry white people for slavery even the
60:20
white people ended slavery and nobody gets mad at the Muslims for the far more
60:24
extensive slave trade that caused the death of a hundred million Africans
60:27
nobody's yelling at the Muslims to to pay reparations and all because you know
60:30
they don't feel bad about it because they don't live in a gilt culture and
60:34
whether that's biology or culture doesn't particularly matter at this
60:37
point
60:38
and so the way that I think about it in my own mind is it's like you're in a
60:41
boxing match with someone and they have a little button in their boxing gloves
60:47
that delivers a big electric shock to you because the the attack cultures make
60:52
the guild cultures feel bad which is why when you yell racism
60:55
add a white person they feel that and what that does is it makes people want
60:59
to yell racism or because when why people feel bad they hand over resources
61:02
to feel better
61:04
like I'm a bad person because i'm a racist you know here's affirmative
61:07
action his welfare he is free public education
61:10
here's whatever and so now I feel better but of course it's buying five minutes
61:14
of peace while escalating the the attacks in the long run
61:17
and I think for me looking at sort of European culture this internalization of
61:22
moral standards and the South attack of guilt has made for the most powerful and
61:28
productive societies in a lot of human history
61:31
unfortunately though when it comes in contact with these very aggressive
61:35
attack based cultures it is a very unfair fight because only one side can
61:40
make the other side feel bad
61:42
and because white people being a selected or whatever in general will do
61:46
almost anything to avoid that feeling of anxiety and self attack
61:49
it is an unfair battle and I think that the left its figure this out very
61:52
quickly and keep pushing that button they keep hitting that electrical attack
61:57
in the boxing match
61:58
and it's just an unfair fight and I think that is the great challenge I'm
62:02
sorry that's a very off the captain of thing i don't like over 100 know
62:06
everything that that you say makes sense so i would counter with a few perhaps
62:11
superficial objections and then maybe I'll propose that one of my own theories
62:16
about what it is that has caused this denaturing of white people
62:20
first of all I'm not sure that those who are most vigorous in the attack on their
62:25
own people left is to galat Arians are necessarily people who feel a great deal
62:30
of guilt I'm not sure about that
62:32
at the same time this is something that at least most of Eastern Europe was
62:37
spared
62:38
we used to feel sorry for the people on the other side of the Iron Curtain here
62:42
those poor people were being deprived of the joys of Western Europe
62:47
well they are the people who perhaps may survive in terms of Western civilization
62:50
because they still have a sense of nationality
62:53
they're the ones who are building the wall saying nope we don't want any
62:56
Syrian immigrants who don't any Muslim immigrants and they take it for granted
62:59
every one takes it for granted
63:00
so there is this small remnant of lights who have been spared that kind of
63:04
behavior now are their societies any less guilt oriented than those in the
63:09
West I'm not sure there's something that has taken place west of the Iron Curtain
63:15
I think perhaps started the united states that is really unprecedented in
63:19
entire human history
63:21
and despite the fact that we were certainly more Christian and perhaps
63:25
more susceptible to guilt
63:28
Oh from the . maybe a hundred fifty two hundred years ago to the period of of 50
63:33
years ago we were not susceptible to these outside the tribe blandishments we
63:39
might have had this sense of responsibility to our own people but
63:42
they were very clear racial boundaries that were drawn this notion of somehow
63:47
melting away the natural biological and cultural and instinctive differences
63:52
that people find when they encounter the other
63:55
that is a new thing that is a new thing I don't necessarily disagree with what
64:00
you say
64:01
I think the idea of guilt culture the idea that we internalize our own vows
64:05
there's and that doesn't require a massive police force and one in which
64:09
people can generally trust each other
64:11
those are very important sources of wealth I think they just let me just
64:15
mention something very quickly here and i would definitely want to hear your
64:18
theory as well but if we start to get into some of the male-female differences
64:22
I think that's very important i think the women are very important for
64:25
installing guilt but the men are very important but defending border so you
64:28
know there's a will will pop this up on the screen there's a sort of famous
64:31
internet mean floating around of a lot of the defense ministers of your Western
64:36
Europe are these smiling blonde happy perky women and then they've got you
64:40
know this is the guy from from China and this is the guy from Russia and their
64:44
these dower dower dead eyed people you want on the wall and then this is truly
64:50
terrifying virtually demonic iron wall of a man from Poland and so I think that
64:55
biologically women have traditionally developed more empathy and is not a
65:01
strong in group references
65:02
whereas in almost all the major eight species it is the man who patrol the
65:05
perimeter and keep the women and children safe from attack
65:09
and given that we have systemic systematically dismantled male influence
65:14
in society in the West for a couple of generations
65:17
I think that's also contributing to this pathological altruism and lack of a
65:21
sense of having borders that that need to be defended in a dangerous world
65:26
yes I certainly agree with her to me the idea that races could be somehow
65:32
equivalent would be plausible to someone who has never been around someone of a
65:37
different race
65:38
I mean after all it was the Scandinavians who have been lecturing
65:41
Americans for decades about how we should treat blacks Scandinavians you've
65:45
never met a black in their lives but when it comes to the equivalent of the
65:50
sexes say in terms of putting people in combat or making them in control of the
65:55
armed forces to me
65:57
this is even more implausible then the idea that races could be increased
66:00
equivalent because we all know women in our own lives we are simply not as
66:05
aggressive but as you say the idea that there are really no differences that
66:09
women can be artillerists Special Forces
66:12
warriors this is something that is only possible in the West
66:18
I mean can you imagine the Chinese saying to themselves
66:21
oh my god they're gonna put women on submarines gonna put women of Special
66:24
Forces
66:25
where r goose is cooked now they must be laughing Adams laughing adams and i
66:32
think that the whole notion that the races are equivalent has been really the
66:38
first stepping stone towards what absurdity after another that the sexes
66:42
are equivalent that fat people should be just as desirable as healthy looking
66:47
people that beauty is arbitrary meaningless as soon as the notion that
66:52
races are equivalent of interchangeable as soon as that was accepted it seemed
66:56
to open the door to one absurdity after another all of the ancient distinctions
67:01
that every human society has treasured and maintained is in the process of
67:06
crumbling down
67:07
and this cannot last and most societies that maintain those distinctions will
67:12
survive those that cannot i think will be shoved aside by society switch as you
67:17
suggest as well have maintained more of the manly virtues as well
67:21
we have been emasculated the ones this is all part of our decline
67:26
you said that you wanted to propose a possible alternate theory for at the
67:30
pathological self-destructive altruism and I really want to do given that it
67:35
might be interviewing you you should really get a little bit more of this is
67:38
a it's a it's a credit to my enjoyment of the conversation that I'm but again
67:42
so much but I wanted to give you the spotlight for that
67:44
well when you think about the characteristics of european societies
67:49
what is it that we have contributed in terms of society
67:53
the idea of one man one vote or freedom of speech
67:58
these are really very revolutionary the idea that the weak man or the poor man
68:04
should have just as much political participation as the wealthy and the
68:08
powerful man or a situation in which the rule of law is taken for granted
68:14
the rich man if he breaks the law he too is just as subject to penalties as the
68:19
poor man or the week man
68:20
this notion of equality this notion that the law should apply to everyone
68:25
the idea that even if someone is insignificant he has rights that need to
68:30
be respected rights that should be maintained this you don't find in any
68:35
other Society also the notion of sexual equality
68:40
the big man having only one wife this too is a surprising thing you don't find
68:45
that in other cultures the notion that women have a point of view that they are
68:50
to be respected
68:51
the idea that the powers are to be respected have a point of view this
68:56
notion of a reciprocal sense of the interests of valuing the point of view
69:01
the the lives of the interests of others we take that even further into other
69:07
species we care about the snail darter and the crush mark cave mold beetle in a
69:13
way that you don't find others caring about them and that's why why send its
69:17
labor not just in their own countries and cultures but around the world
69:20
that's exactly right we are the ones who care the most about the environment we
69:25
think about future generations they too should have clean air to breathe oceans
69:30
in which the corals multiply all of this is a notion somehow of a larger sense of
69:36
responsibility of us are respecting the rights and the demands of the
69:40
situation's of others
69:42
these I think are all part of the hallmarks of the society and the
69:46
civilization that we as white Europeans have created you don't find these things
69:50
elsewhere but then this notion of reciprocity of thinking of the interests
69:55
of others which i think is very very valuable within the tribe within the
69:59
nation
70:00
this has been perverted by people who from without the tribe have said we'll
70:06
wait a minute you all that you all you all those things to us as well
70:11
and for centuries we were able to draw the line we were able to say well no no
70:15
you are Africans or you are South Americans and we have certain places
70:20
where we draw the line
70:22
our capability to draw the line in terms of this notion of mutual reciprocity
70:26
mutual respect equality that has been destroyed and now we find all of our
70:32
virtues
70:33
turned against us like you this is just sort of us what kind of an off-the-cuff
70:37
notion that has occurred to me off and on I've never done the kind of solid
70:42
research that I would have to do in order to back it up
70:44
I didn't even know what you look for this that's because this is very very
70:47
hypothetical and as I pointed out if if tolerance is a virtue and you know I I'm
70:53
concerned that Aristotle said the tolerance and apathy of the last virtues
70:56
of a dying civilization but if tolerance is a virtue
70:59
then we should not allow intolerant people into a tolerant society they had
71:03
to me that's the universalization that has been lost universalization which is
71:07
a both strength and weakness of Western thought you know the idea that that's
71:10
not just my in tribe that is good but there are moral standards that apply
71:14
universally that's I think a very wonderful and powerful thing which also
71:18
goes into the guilt thing because if people don't feel guilt
71:21
there's no point having universal ethics because there's no soil to plant those
71:26
that conscience in this whole notion of different standards of morality i think
71:31
is a very important one
71:33
there's a famous quotation of pareto i wish i could quoted accurately but it's
71:38
something to the effect that when you are in a position of power
71:42
I asked you to share your power with me because that is your principal
71:46
when i am in a position of power I take what little power you have
71:51
because that is my principle there's an interesting equivalent of that after the
71:56
Battle of Islam Allah in South Africa you remember this was the case in which
72:00
the Zulus completely overwhelmed and massacred a British detachment one of
72:05
the worst defeats in British military history
72:08
well after that there was an engagement in which the British captured a number
72:12
of zooms and they said to the zoo is that they captured the look in Islam
72:17
Allah when you over and our garrison
72:19
you didn't take prisoners you massacred them all why should we not massacre you
72:23
and the zoo said well massacring prison massacring prison of prisoners that is
72:29
our custom
72:30
it is not your custom to Massacre prisoners so you must not massacre ups
72:34
and the British were unable to gain say that arguments well you're right
72:38
and of course they were not massacred the are different standards here and our
72:42
standards are being turned against us in a way that will be ultimately lethal to
72:47
us
72:47
well I mean they're mostly mayor has complained that there are too many white
72:50
people working in a certain industry even the whites are becoming the
72:53
minority
72:54
does anyone imagine that when why it's a minority in their own countries that the
72:58
new majority are going to treat them with the same delicacy and care and
73:01
concern that whites have treated minorities I mean nobody could possibly
73:04
imagine that all you have to do is look at what's happening to the white
73:07
minority in south africa and the birds and the murders and the slaughterers
73:10
it's it's a fantasy and it was we have something you know when Trump the other
73:15
day said it praised Western civilization and and said mentioned some of the
73:20
wonderful things that that Western civilization has brought to the world
73:24
I kind of think that came as a deep shock to a lot of people who have heard
73:26
nothing but a verbal abuse poured upon the glowing ashes that remain of of
73:31
Western pride and I do think that that is a remarkable phenomenon people do
73:35
have a right to feel proud of their history and their culture because it is
73:39
the pride in your history and culture that that motivates you to add to its
73:42
glories and without that we deny people a lot of the capacity to live lives of
73:48
productivity and honor and decency and courage and the expansion and extension
73:54
of human ethics when you teach people to shame their own culture they have
73:58
nothing with which to build the glories of their own lives on and every person
74:02
derived from a demolished culture is diminished thereby well I certainly
74:07
agree and one wonders what sort of lives American college students can look
74:11
forward to after their told over and over for years straight
74:15
that there's a history of nothing but sexism and exploitation homophobia
74:20
it's absolutely remarkable they survive as well as they do now I get the
74:24
impression that many of the just grit their teeth and they know this is all
74:27
nonsense but some of them end up believing these things
74:30
now you mentioned Donald Trump just now I have fantasies about Donald Trump by I
74:36
admit that they're pure I'll and juvenile but I have this fantasy of
74:40
Donald Trump sort of tossing off observations for example like he might
74:45
very well say
74:46
what's wrong with whites wanted to live in a majority white neighborhood or
74:50
what's wrong with white so I wanted to live in a majority white country
74:53
I think he is perhaps capable of a remark of that kind or it would he might
74:59
someday say well you just can't expect as many black students to be in the
75:03
honors programs in the high schools because they're just not as smart
75:07
now if the President of the United States even in a haphazard and
75:12
nonchalant manner where to toss off an argument of a remark like that it could
75:16
not be hushed up
75:19
it would have to it would mean that people have to look into the there'd be
75:22
a great debate of all this is horrible but some of the facts would then emerge
75:27
and again maybe this is purely wishful thinking on my part and perhaps Donald
75:31
Trump will become vastly more conventional the more he moves along
75:36
that's entirely possible he'll Howard Webb sources yeah
75:39
politics is the art of the possible and he will have to make necessary
75:42
compromises but the degree to which he's willing to speak truth to power as it
75:47
stands is encouraging nonetheless and at least he's provoke debate which
75:51
Americans have been desperate to have about illegal immigration has provoked a
75:55
debate on that and in that the facts do seem to be winning out so I remain
76:01
cautiously optimistic well let's let's close it off
76:04
is there are any upcoming projects are you you mentioned that you have a
76:07
conference coming up it's imran khan where people can go for more information
76:11
about your organization i will leave you with the the closing words of
76:15
encouragement to an audience
76:17
i'm going to just imitate the audience for a moment there are some of the sort
76:20
of looking at the screen like this something like something along those
76:24
lines is there any sort of words of encouragement or not appeasement
76:29
modification you might want to offer to people who are perhaps a little
76:32
surprised at the tenor of the conversation
76:34
I suppose all I would say is that if it is perfectly natural and normal for
76:40
Hispanics to prefer the company of other Hispanics and to take pride in their
76:45
heritage and their accomplishments or if it is perfectly normal and natural for
76:49
blacks or asians or any other group to take pride in their accomplishments and
76:53
prefer to be around people like themselves
76:56
why is it long only four points
76:59
we take it for granted that the Japanese have the right to preserve a Japanese
77:03
society we take it for granted that Israel has the right to maintain a
77:07
Jewish state
77:08
why is it wrong for the French to wish to maintain a french state
77:13
it's only a matter of fairness and that's the fundamental question that was
77:16
asked of the skeptics and those who would accuse me and perhaps you as well
77:21
of being hate monger somehow is why is it wrong for us to wish for our culture
77:26
and people to survive
77:28
rather than be diluted and shoved into oblivion that is my question and I've
77:32
never had a good answer to that question
77:35
well because the only good answer the only honest answer is that if whites are
77:38
to be denied all the privileges that other ethnic groups enjoy in terms of
77:42
self preference and cohesion and perhaps even a homeland if whites are to the
77:46
only white said to be denied that then clearly that is Anastasia manifestation
77:50
of virulent anti-white racism and that may be the biggest issue of racism that
77:55
needs to be dealt with in the world today and primarily it is a white on
77:59
white racism
78:00
so I really appreciate your time it was a very enjoyable conversation will put
78:05
links to where people can get your vital statistics and prolific output of
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articles and videos really appreciate your time thank you so much
78:14
oh it's literal pleasure thank you

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